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[Nynke]

Hello,
I'm sorry, this message is in english, but i'm afraid i would make too much mistakes in german.

I'm from the north of holland, and together with some other fruit-fanatics, we are busy with a plum we call "wichter".
This wild plum grows a lot in a small area, and we're trying to search where the plum comes from. It seemes to look like the Zibarten a lot.
They are eatable end of august. We also use them for jam, wine, and juice.

At this site are some pictures(please scroll down, it's on the bottom of the site):
http://www.fruitynfryslan.nl/fyfprojekten.html#WICHTER%20PROJEKT

Tis picture is made in June, so the plums are still green:


Who can tell me more about it? Is this the same as your Zibarten?
Any information is welcome!

[M]

+Hallo,
willkommen !
Meiner Meinung nach sind es Mirabellen

Liebe Grüße

[M]

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirabelle
Die gibts bei uns im Saarland zu hauf

[Nynke]

Ein mirabel ist ein Prunus domestica syriaca

Die Wichter ist Prunus domestica subsp. insititia, not the same as a mirabel...

[Nynke]

Who can give us soms photo's of Zibarten, the tree and the leaves? Is it correct that the Zibarten can be harvested at end Oktober?

[Zazoo]

Hello Nynke,

did you already have a look at google image search?
http://images.google.de/images?hl=de&q=Prunus+domestica+subsp.+insititia&gbv=2

it is not that much but if you vary the words there might appear more.

Otherwise good luck that some one here can help you!

bye
maren

[wuddel]

i dont know anything about "zibarten" because it's a kind of regional name i think but this is what i found in the big net..

"Zibarten" or Ziparte, Zippate, Ziberl, Zibärtle, Zibertle, Zibertl, Zibelle, Zwiferl or Seiberl should be Prunus domestica subsp. prisca a sort of wild plum.

With small yellow/green fruits not much bigger than sleedoorn (Prunus spinosa = Schlehe).

hier gevonden: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zibarte


@nynke: als het nodig is kan ik de rest ook wel ff vertalen

[Nynke]

wo hat ein photo von der rote spilling für mich?

[Aella]

hallo nynke,

wir hatten hier schon ein paar mal das thema "kirschpflaumen, wildpflaumen, zibarten, kreten.

hier mal zwei links zum lesen:
http://forum.garten-pur.de/index.php?board=25;action=display;threadid=23365;start=msg602040#msg602040

http://forum.garten-pur.de/index.php?board=19;action=display;threadid=20436;start=15

[Aella]

ich hatte mal eins gepostet. vielleicht ist es daß, was du meinst?

[Giaco85]

Hallo Nynke,
Eure Wichter könnten tatsächlich Zibarten sein. Udelgard Körber-Grohne beschreibt in Ihrem Buch "Pflaumen Kirschpflaumen Schlehen" ISBN 3-8062-1212-0 auf Seite 126 von einen im August reifenden Typ von Zibarten. Siehe auch Baumschule Kiefer Ortenberg, der diesen Typ Zibarte in der Vergangenheit auch auf Myrobalane veredelt hat,
Viele Grüße
Giaco

[Nynke]

Thank you for all your answers,
I searched a lot last evening, and found that your kriegerl looks the most like our wichter.

I saw on a page, that the kriegerl has different types, who can tell me more about it/has pictures?

Kind Regards,
Nynke

[Nynke]

There should be a connection between our "wichter" and westfalen...
anyone from there who recognizes this plum?

[Knusperhäuschen]

My grandmother has had plums, she called them "Eierpflaumen" (Egg-Plums), in her very old garden in Northern-Westfalia (Münsterland), their colour was something between green-yellow-orange, about 4cm diameter the fruit, round shape, tasting very good, but not good for storage.
But I dont´t know their name, sorry.
"Wichter" is a synonym for young girls in northern Germany.

[Nynke]

In Groningen (Nl) we use the word for young girls also.
I know the eierpflaumen, its not the same as we are looking for, but thanks for your answer!!!