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Re: Mein neues Staudenbeet
« Antwort #735 am: 05. Dezember 2015, 17:47:35 »

Hi pearl  :)

If it had been easy I wouldn’t have asked here  ;D
anyway
I don’t want to recreate The Gardens of Babylon but only a few square meters that with a good impact since they are located
next to the entrance of the house.
Maintenance, any surplus irrigation, failures and correction of errors are not a problem (I grow for the heck of it)
One thing is sure, however, I do not want a desert Sedum & co. with gray pebbles  8)
My project is definitely full of wrong plants (Paeonia, as you rightly observed, will probably have some problems) but, for example, Anemone Japonica has been thriving for years in that position, by the way just where the soil is less thick, the same thing concerning the Baptisia and, believe it or not, even the Veronicastrum. On the other hand, experiences with Helictotrichon, Santolina and other things like that were negative.
Probably, in my case, the thinness of the substrate is balanced by its good water retention (poor drainage) and the fact that it rains a lot here (An average of at least 1500 mm per year).
The depth of the root system is also a good point, I wonder how far you push the adaptability of some plants to expand their roots horizontally to compensate the inability to go deep.
So as I understand it, the main problem would be the 'Beetstauden' mentioned by Sarastro, among other things; of his interesting list I must unfortunately reject Buxus (cydalima perspectalis here is a scourge) Centranthus ruber (it disseminates outrageously here) and Acanthus (always slumped in full sun)
I'm looking for replacements for Echinacea-Helenium-Aster NA and large ornamental grasses ...
…Achnatherum seems to work well in Wien-Schönbrunn  :D ;D 8)

Immer noch meine ich, dass dieses Thema einen eigenen Faden verdient!

I'm not surely the one who will open it, I already regret having opened this!
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Re: Mein neues Staudenbeet
« Antwort #736 am: 05. Dezember 2015, 19:23:05 »

"roots horizontally" yes. Some plants are good in doing so. They are called "Mattenpflanzen" growing on gravel and on top of rocks. I will look for a list in an old but wonderful catalog from Hans Götz, Staudenkulturen in Schiltach.

Ultimately, I think, this can not be solved theoretically. In that situation you can do nothing else than experimenting. Add what ever you like and substract what ever didn't comfort you.
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Re: Mein neues Staudenbeet
« Antwort #737 am: 05. Dezember 2015, 21:14:57 »


Neulich sah ich Bilder von Pflanzenwurzeln. Ein ehrgeiziges amerikanisches Projekt. Die unterirdische Perspektive führt jedem Betrachter vor Augen welchen gewaltigen Wurzelraum Pflanzen einnehmen und zum Überleben brauchen. Gräser reichen mit ihren Wurzeln 3 mal so tief wie ihre oberirdischen grünen Halme in die Erde.


pearl, das habe ich auch gesehen, war das in "Planting in a post-wild world"? Fantastisch  :D

moreno, trial & error  :P
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Re: Mein neues Staudenbeet
« Antwort #738 am: 05. Dezember 2015, 22:11:00 »

nein, das war ein Projekt für das ein paar Meter tief das Erdreich ausgehoben wurde und die Bodenprofile freigelegt, dann wurden die Pflanzen kompliziert so präpariert, dass man nur das Wurzelwerk gesehen hat, ohne Erde. Kompliziertes Verfahren. Hoch auflösende Bilder, die nebeneinander gelegt dann den gesamten Raum, den eine Pflanze unter und über der Erde einnimmt, zu machen.
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Re: Mein neues Staudenbeet
« Antwort #739 am: 05. Dezember 2015, 22:14:11 »

ich habs! National Geographic 15. Oktober 2015. Digging Deep Reveals the Intricate World of Roots.
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Re: Mein neues Staudenbeet
« Antwort #740 am: 05. Dezember 2015, 22:24:48 »

Richard Hansen 3.2.2 Blumenmatten:

Adonis vernalis
Anemone sylvestris
Anthericum
Aster amellus
Asterliosyris
Campanula sarmatica
Carlina acaulis
Dianthus carthusanorum
Filipendula hexapetala
Gentiana cruciata
Gentiana verna
Globularia punctata
Helianthemum Arten
Hippocrepis comosa
INula ensifolia
Inula hirta
Inula salicina
Linum perenne
Phyteuma orbiculare
Potentilla alba
Pulsatilla vulgaris
Ranunculus bulbosus
Stachys nivea
Veronica spicata
Veronica teurium


Gräser:

Briza media
Carex flacca
Carex humilis
Carex montana
Festuca amethystina
Phleum phleoides
Stipa
Arten

Sträucher:

Cytisus austriacus
Cytisus supinus
Cytisus ratisbonensis
Daphne cneorum

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Re: Mein neues Staudenbeet
« Antwort #741 am: 05. Dezember 2015, 22:34:08 »

Götz Staudengärtnerei Schiltach Katalog von 1997

Felssteppe auf frischem Boden, FS2 so

Acaena Arten
Alchemilla erytrhopoda
Androsace
Campanulas
Dynoglossum
Dryas
Erius alpinus
'Dr. Hähnle'
Gentiana septemfida
Geum montanum
Hieracium villosum
Horminum pyrenaicum
Veronica spicata


Farne:

Polystichum aculeatum

Gräser:

Festuca alpina
Sesleria heuffeliana


FS2 hs:

Orostachys spinosus

Lebensbereich FS2-3

Polygonum affine Sorten

Farne:

Asplenium scolopendrium

Gräser:

Carex buchananii

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Re: Mein neues Staudenbeet
« Antwort #742 am: 05. Dezember 2015, 22:43:31 »

Lebensbereich Matten

Matten mit frischem Boden sind ein Eldorado für seltene Sammlerstauden. M2:

Gentiana acaulis
Gentiana cruciata
Gentiana farreri
Gentiana septemfida


Primula juliae
Primula vialii


M2-3

Prmula alpicola
Primula capitata
subsp. mooreana
Primula clusiana
Primula farinosa

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Re: Mein neues Staudenbeet
« Antwort #743 am: 05. Dezember 2015, 22:49:46 »

mit den Gräsern

Carex flacca
Carex humilis
Carex montana
Festuca amethystina


habe ich auf dem "Balkanhügel", sommertrockene Felssteppe, gute Erfahrungen gemacht. Festuca gautieri 'Pic Carlit' weiß noch nicht so recht.

Festuca mairei probiere ich gerade am sommertrockenen Hang aus. Eragrostis curvula Sorten lohnen sich auch auszuprobieren.
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Re: Mein neues Staudenbeet
« Antwort #744 am: 06. Dezember 2015, 14:34:39 »

Danke pearl und Ruby  :)
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